Chuck Todd and Kara Swisher bashed Facebook and its impact on the media industry. 

"I'm struggling to find the good that Facebook ever provided," Todd kicked off the conversation on Wednesday's "Meet the Press: Daily" amid the revelations from former Facebook product manager Frances Haugen. "Is Facebook recoverable and what would that look like?"

Swisher argued that it was recoverable, saying "lots of stuff on the internet" that are useful and positive but that Facebook has gotten "so big and so unregulated that they're not compelled to do anything they don't want."

"As you said, It's as big as an economy. It's a country," Swisher said. "With 3 billion people, they’re not monitoring it correctly. And at the very top, we have someone who is unfireable, unaccountable and really can do whatever he wants and is spectacularly unsuited to the task."

"I guess that’s the thing," Todd responded. "There's a feel of powerlessness to all of this here. You know, I look at what it has done to just the industry that I'm in, the industry you and I are in the world of media and journalism. You know, Facebook essentially changed the incentive structure and particularly for smaller news outlets, they have no choice but to essentially follow the Facebook algorithm in order to maintain traffic, which created this death spiral of news consumption."

"Yeah, I think one of the interesting things is that a lot of tech people are like, 'You are mad at us because you ruined our business.' We’re like, ‘You ruined everything,’" Swisher said. "You decimated it."

Todd interjected, "By the way, I don't mind our business being ruined, Kara. We don't mind. Create or destruction. Ruin my business but make it better. You ruined the business and made it worse."

Swisher agreed, saying Facebook "doesn't care" what is shared on the platform whether it's "cat pictures or journalism."

The "Sway" podcast host went on to say that "we kind of owe" former President Trump a "debt of gratitude" because his "bad behavior" on social media platforms proved they had no control since he was able to "run around and do whatever he wants and there's no enforcement."

"I'm not even blaming Facebook. I’m blaming Congress for not doing anything," Swisher told Todd. "Other nations have done things, other states have done things but our Congress still has not. Now, there’s some great legislation coming and if they pass it, that would be fantastic. There's bipartisan support and they just have to get it through. You know, even though they can’t agree on lunch, they could probably agree on this."

The MSNBC anchor expressed his support for a "digital Bill of Rights" that "just never happened." He then asked Swisher what exactly "we should be regulating."

Swisher stressed it's "lots of different laws" that range from transparency, hacking, data use, Section 230 to mergers and anti-trust legislation. 

She went on to say "it's probably a smart thing" for the Facebook company to under its name change since several divisions like Oculus and WhatsApp fall under the umbrella and that a new CEO could be appointed to the "big blue app" while its current CEO Mark Zuckerberg can be given "Mount Olympus" role.

"The problem remains though that he is completely in control of everything because of the way they do stock," Swisher said. "So no matter what, he and his children and his children’s children are in charge of this thing for eternity."

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 NBC News anchor Chuck Todd lost control of the second and final Virginia gubernatorial debate between Terry McAuliffe and Glenn Youngkin after a third-party candidate disrupted the political showdown from the audience. 

Princess Blanding, a progressive candidate running in the Liberation Party, began shouting towards the stage roughly 15 minutes into the debate.

"I am on the ballot! Why am I not on that stage?" Blanding asked. "This is not democracy!"

She taunted McAuliffe, telling the Democrat, "You are not gonna win Terry."

Blanding, who was accompanied by a few supporters, is heard shouting "I worked very hard to be on the ballot" during the broadcast. 

Todd attempted to carry on with the debate, repeatedly telling Blanding "thank you" as she continued shouting down the moderate.

Eventually, the "Meet the Press" host lost his patience. 

"Alright, security," Todd called for back-up. 

Shortly after, Todd took it to a commercial break.

After leaving the auditorium, Blanding spoke to reporters about what had just transpired. 

"I just made it very clear that I am a candidate to let Virginians know that their censorship of my candidacy is racist. It is very sexist. It is very oppressive. And it's a form of voter suppression," Blanding said. "Their goal is to make sure Virginians don't know that I exist so they feel that they have to choose between the lesser of two evils."

Blanding asserted she "had to work ten times harder" to get on the ballot and it's "a bunch of bulls---" for her to be subjected to sitting in the audience. 

"I will not be silenced," Blanding vowed.

The progressive candidate went on to slam the media for the minimal coverage her campaign has received, saying most of the press "don't even air" any of her interviews or outlets will "misquote" her. 

"So, guess what? I refuse to play by the game and the rules of the duopoly," Blanding said. "In order for me, in order for Virginians to ensure our rightful place, we will take it. I'm not going to ask anymore. We have been told to trust the system, and the system is meant to keep third-party candidates oppressed, to make sure that people don't know about them."

"I have done everything I needed to do in order to get on the ballot. Why am I not able to participate in the debate? We have these two rich White men that are sitting up there and you don't hear anyone reporting that I am the only Black woman in the history of Virginia to make it on the ballot. But I can't have my voice heard? I can't speak and represent the voices, views and concerns of Virginians? Again, it's not okay. And for people to sit in there- all I'm listening to around me are people talking about their timeshares and their investments while we have people who don't have anywhere to live and lay their heads at," Blanding added.

 NBC News political director Chuck Todd suggested that former President Trump is responsible for the media not covering the "problems" plaguing the Democratic Party. 

Appearing on "Sunday Today," Todd and host Willie Geist discussed the GOP-led election audit in Arizona which reaffirmed President Biden's victory and Trump's ongoing control over the Republican Party. 

"What is he doing now? Going after Republicans not supportive of him and then chasing the last election everywhere he goes?" Geist asked.

Todd chuckled at the question, which involved "trying to figure out what's in Donald Trump's head."

"It’s the same thing that has driven Donald Trump for 30 years. Obsession with people either on his side or not on his side," Todd told Geist. "So look, this is a — he’s creating a cult of personality movement or he has created a cult of personality movement. It’s not ideologically driven. It’s just driven by what’s good for Trump, as he believes is good for the Republican Party. What’s bad for Trump, he believes is bad for the Republican Party. And that’s how he’s operating. That’s how he’s picking candidates."

The "Meet the Press" moderator went on to declare Trump as the "single greatest asset the Democratic Party has right now." 

"Without Donald Trump in the way, I think the Democratic Party’s problems would be- would be a bit more in the spotlight, if you will," Todd said. "But Donald Trump, by dividing his party the way he’s done — look, it will be the singular reason why if Terry McAuliffe wins in Virginia, in this political environment, he will have Donald Trump to thank. So Donald Trump is a huge asset right now to the Democratic Party and President Biden."

 On Sunday's "Meet the Press," Todd noted the divisions within the GOP on the subject of withdrawing troops from Afghanistan, noting that "Mitch McConnell was on one side" and "Donald Trump was on the other."

"It’s pretty clear this probably would have been just as bad, if not worse, under what Trump wanted to do," Todd told the panel. "He wanted to pull everyone out by Christmas. If he had won re-election, perhaps he might have done that."

Todd then asked, "Is this a big blow for the isolationist wing of the GOP" and will it "weaken Trump's hold over time?"

Washington Examiner columnist Kirsten Soltis Anderson responded by predicting a "resurgence" of a kind of Reagan-style "peace through strength approach" within the Republican Party if that wing feels that enemies abroad are emboldened by the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan. 

"I would expect that Republican foreign policy is going to begin being more focused on projecting more strength around the world, not less," Anderson said. 

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